the Sooz ([info]furikku) wrote,
@ 2007-11-26 08:56:00
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Comicry- An example of being Not Smarmy About It
A recent to-do (in a positive sense! Shock! Awe!) in the Feminist Comics Hive Vagina Blogosphwhatever is about this (questionably worksafe) set on [info]scans_daily, wherein Wolverine confronts Spider Woman (or I guess her secret identity or something) while she's showering, AND IT'S NOT SMARMY.

Before I get into the major babblage, I'll have to admit that I haven't read this issue, just the pages on the link, so I have no idea if it's bad anywhere else, nor do I really care. (I mean, this is Modern Superhero Comics and not Tomb of Dracula or some adorable/horror rag from Japan, so I'm not really a regular reader.)

Anyway. Non-smarminess.

1) He's got on clothing. Also, it's Wolverine. Wolvie (unless there's some sort of massive character change since I stopped paying attention to the X Men) is, as Kalinara points out, just not a guy one would expect to be rapin' people, or even thinking about "oh hott, girl in shower woo!" He's thinkin', "O hay, she's naked and unarmed, so I'll have a tactical advantage."

2) She's also thinkin', "O hay, I'm naked and partially unarmed, so he's kind of got the tactical advantage here. Eh, whatev, I'm not a moron, so I won't do anything that gives away major fear." She's not all "eek big dude in my shower WHATEVER SHALL I DO ONOES!" she's all "Wolvie WTF I was just about to start using the Pert Plus DO YOU HAVE NO MANNERS AT ALL wait you're Wolverine I should be glad you didn't bring in beer and a cigar or something."

3) Mostly closeup shots, with a couple of vaguely tasteful medium shots. Not only do the closeups crop out anything that'd set off the nudity taboo sirens, they enhance the Dramatic Tension of the story, which is (I assume) what the writer is going for. There's some Unnecessary Boob Action going on in the medium shots, but it's not "HAY KIDS LOOK BOOBS OMG SEE IT'S A GIRL SHE HAS TITS WHOA HOLY SHIT!" it's just, "Tense confrontation where we also have to cover up nipplage for ratings reasons." Plot and drama first, cheesecake is an afterthought.

(Though I personally think that the first panel of the second page looks out of place, but that's more because it looks like someone used cutouts of the figures and assembled them onto a background. It doesn't even look like the shower's running. What the heck? Also, Wolvie in particular looks generic and kind of wrong. Neither has an expression that looks like a standoff is happening. Though her "aw, how cute, little fuzzy man has dropped in on my shower" expression is slightly amusing.)


So, see? It can be done, and done well! All it takes is, y'know, not treating your story like it's wank material!




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[info]rosehiptea
2007-11-26 03:54 pm UTC (link)
I know crap-all about superhero comics, as I spent my very brief time in comics fandom reading weird independents, but that's some nice art there. And I agree that the scene is well-done and not treated in an exploitative manner in my opinion. (I did find it hot, and I hope that's not horrible of me.) The point could be made, and was in the comments, that they didn't need to have a shower scene at all, and despite justifications as to depicting vulnerability I can't help thinking somebody did want to draw a naked woman, but that's not enough to be exploitative to me.

But the people on the other site complaining that it wasn't sexy enough? Jerks. (Plus, it didn't exactly lack in the sexy... in a good way...)

(Wow, I have a lot of thoughts on this for someone who doesn't know anything about it...)

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[info]furikku
2007-11-26 04:01 pm UTC (link)
(I did find it hot, and I hope that's not horrible of me.)

Kalinara did, too, so you're in good company. :D

they didn't need to have a shower scene at all

Yeah, probably not, but it seems to have added to the tension, so I'm willing to give that a pass. Whether or not one NEEDS something, if it adds to (or at least doesn't detract from) the story in some way, it's good.

But the people on the other site complaining that it wasn't sexy enough?

Yeah, the second review calling her a 40-year-old drug addict really made me go "bzuh?" She doesn't look bad at all- a few superfluous lines, maybe, but not terrible. Someone needs to look at the human beings in his town.

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[info]rosehiptea
2007-11-26 04:41 pm UTC (link)
I actually didn't mean that I thought the shower scene was gratituitous per se. (Especially not knowing anything else about the comic.) I just feel a little better about thinking it's hot because I think they probably made a shower scene to make a certain degree of hot -- just not to the point of fanservice and wank material.

A 40-year-old drug addict? What the hell? But it's OK for Wolverine to look like he does because he's a guy, right? (I'm sure they'd say it's because he's Wolverine and he looks like that and blah blah blah...)

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[info]furikku
2007-11-26 04:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I figured. :D It's a way to balance subtextual hotness with textual plottery!

GIRLS ONLY LOOK LIKE HOTNESS OR ELSE OLD MAIDS. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.

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[info]lost_angelwings
2007-11-27 03:28 am UTC (link)
It is quite awesome :)

Women can be strong and naked too. It's a common (and often purposeful) misperception by some ppl, that we're trying to "steal the sexy", when it's not about "omg no nekkid women!" or "omg no skin!" at all. >:D

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[info]vaecrius
2007-11-27 06:11 am UTC (link)
To quote the IGN reviewer who wasn't talking out of his ass:

In the end, the shower scene would feel right at home in an episode of Oz, and I somehow doubt that's the effect Bendis was going for.

Like hitting a nail on the head once, shifting two inches to the left of that spot, and finishing your hammering in exactly the same form as before.

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[info]silent_sybil
2008-01-04 04:24 pm UTC (link)
She's not all "eek big dude in my shower

Where?

*ducks*

(Sorry-- wandered over randomly from somebody's link. :))

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